Sunday, 30 October 2011

Warnings Re Forum

At first I thought this forum at was really a nice place to come and discuss Christian views and ideas.

Progressively I found that there is a bias which I am sure the authors on the board do not realize at all. I believe they are sincere Christians but unaware of their own biases.

Vicky runs the board. She has not been bad in her responses at least to me. 

However there is a former messianic who was indoctrinated in the "go-back-to-torah-after-becoming-a-Christian" group. She was deceived. She found her way out. She is nicknamed Rose of Shushan.

However I do notice a distinct bias against Jews and Israel. She has deceived herself into believing that the Jews in Israel and the state of Israel are as much to blame for the problems in the middle east as the Palestinian terrorists.

Every time I mention any reasons why there is a problem in the middle east or attempt to inform her about Palestinian problems she turns it around as if the Jews and Israel are to blame. And she does call herself a Christian. Any time anyone comes on the board and mentions things which I know to be true she casts doubt on it.


Comments She Made:
Computerdoc it is really sad to see you ,who profess to be a believer in Christ, endorsing all this hate propaganda promoted by right wing islamophobes.

The "hate propoganda" I expressed was telling her about:
  1. ObsessionTheMovie as it is agreed by people that know as accurate.
  2. That Palestinians are taught from a VERY YOUNG age to hate Jews and Israel.
  3. That Hamas, Fatah, and the PLO are/were terrorist organizations which foster hatred against Israel.
Let's take one at a time.

I pointed out to Rose that truth is not hateful. Jesus called the pharisees "whitewashed tombstones" and "sons of the devil". Does that sound hateful? Of course. But he was speaking truth.

2. Rose uses ad hominem attacks by using words like "hate propaganda", "profess to be a believer", "right-wing Islamophobes".
All of these words are attacking, judging words but when I pointed out that to her she just ignored my comments which was typical of any points that she chose not to answer. They do not give evidence of "hate" anywhere, just truth.

3. She makes comments like this about Palestinians acting as though Israelis are as bad as Palestinians.

Rose: Palestinians are not a terrorist organization that claim to be rightful owners of the land. Isn't that extremely harsh, especially coming from a Christian?

She has no idea that Palestinian children are taught to hate Israelis at the earliest ages on TV, children's shows, and textbooks.

Palestinians elected Hamas, to be their government. Hamas is a recognized terrorist group.

Palestinian textbooks with hate:

This link explains how Israel teaches good things about Arabs and encourages peace while Palestinian books teach hate:

"What do the Palestinian schools teach? Ninth-graders study from official textbooks that assert, "treachery and disloyalty are character traits of the Jews and therefore one should beware of them." Jews are cast as Satanic, violent and cunning, as "thieving conquerors" who have stolen Arab land and must be fought and defeated."

"Jihad and martyrdom are glorified as the means to liberating "Palestine" and children's poems contain calls to war and bloodletting. Fifth graders memorize such lines as, "I shall take my soul in my hand and hurl it into the abyss of death." The same verses are recited by children on official Palestinian television. Sixth-graders read of a young boy growing up with "the love of Jihad flowing through his veins and filling every fiber of his being." "Joy" comes only at "the sight of the enemy lying dead" or "fleeing for their lives."

"Palestine" replaces Israel on all maps in PA textbooks, and Israeli towns and cities are designated Palestinian locales. Jews are cast as enemies of Islam and European colonizers. An eighth-grade literary text denies Jewish connection to the Western Wall and children are taught to identify Muslim and Christian holy sites, while Jewish ones are omitted."
"Bogus history teaches that Arabs lived in "Palestine" before the Jews. Thus, students learn Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Canaanites and Jerusalem is an ancient Arab city built before Islam. Jews are cast as an illegitimate, foreign, evil presence in the land of Palestine."

Here is a brief intro to the Hamas Charter 1988.
"The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)

“In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate You are the best community that has been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed, it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-doers. They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped. Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save [where they grasp] a rope from Allah and a rope from man. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the Prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.” Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors. The Islamic World is burning. It is incumbent upon each one of us to pour some water, little as it may be, with a view of extinguishing as much of the fire as he can, without awaiting action by the others.

Quote from Wikipedia regarding Hamas:

Brief quote: " Hamas Charter affirmed in 1988 that Hamas was founded to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation and to establish an Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.[18][1"

"The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the Hamas affiliated military wing, has launched attacks with both military and civilian victims. Tactics have included rocket attacks and, from 1993 to 2008,suicide bombings.[26][27] Military targets included Israeli and Egyptian outposts and border crossings and rival Palestinian militias in the occupied territories.[28]"

There is so much more that could be said about how Rose of Shushan interprets or looks for information which is unfavorable to Israelis and favorable to Palestinians. She makes comments about being balanced when she is far from balanced.

How do you balance a neighbor who sponsors terrorism, teaches hate, and wants to eliminate you with a peaceful democracy which respects the beliefs of others, allows freedom to all their holy sites, and teaches peace and respect in their schools [Israel]?

It is sad that Rose of Shushan is blinded perhaps by her former messed up messianic roots teachings that she displays a prejudice against Jews. Even Martin Luther in spite of his realizing what was wrong with the catholic church of his day, developed as strong prejudice against Jews about which Hitler claimed he was finishing the work of Luther. Constantine was also anti-Jewish. All of these individuals have good attributes, no one is perfect, but surely bias against a race or country is recognized as wrong by at least the Western world. 

But I will keep praying for her. Even thorns need prayer.

She also cast doubt on whether arabs danced in the streets when they heard of the 9/11 destruction.

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